When they last caught up, Trump was in the White House and the world had not yet begun to understand the devastating effect that Covid-19 would eventually have. Now, from opposite sides of the world, Hamish Douglass chats again with Washington-based Michael Morrell, former Deputy Director of the CIA. Together they unpack the current political tensions at play between the US and China, how likely a Taiwan vs China war scenario may be, and how and why cyber warfare is on the rise, aided by Russia.